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	<title>Comments on: Can Free Information Make Us A Vendor-Free Library? (updated with great comments and a great PowerPoint presentation on free resources)</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Lomio</title>
		<link>http://legalresearchplus.com/2009/07/13/can-free-information-make-us-a-vendor-free-library/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Lomio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the great comment, Greg.  I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  Helping our patrons evaluate their sources is an important part of our job and I failed to mention it, so I&#039;m really glad you raised the issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great comment, Greg.  I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  Helping our patrons evaluate their sources is an important part of our job and I failed to mention it, so I&#8217;m really glad you raised the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lomio</title>
		<link>http://legalresearchplus.com/2009/07/13/can-free-information-make-us-a-vendor-free-library/#comment-1275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Lomio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comment. 

Yes, of course there&#039;s no free lunch  Tax dollars pay for the laws and opinions streaming out of courthouses, legislative bodies and agency rulemaking rooms.  I don&#039;t mind paying once.  But at times I do feel like singing Bernardo&#039;s line from West Side Story, &quot;One look at us [law librarians] and they charge twice.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment. </p>
<p>Yes, of course there&#8217;s no free lunch  Tax dollars pay for the laws and opinions streaming out of courthouses, legislative bodies and agency rulemaking rooms.  I don&#8217;t mind paying once.  But at times I do feel like singing Bernardo&#8217;s line from West Side Story, &#8220;One look at us [law librarians] and they charge twice.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lomio</title>
		<link>http://legalresearchplus.com/2009/07/13/can-free-information-make-us-a-vendor-free-library/#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Lomio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your great comment, Julie.  You&#039;re absolutely right that there&#039;s no substitute (yet, and maybe never) for an outstanding treatise.  It&#039;s what we always tell our students:  Secondary sources first.  And use the best ones at that.

Take Witkin&#039;s Summary of California Law, for instance.  It&#039;s often *the* perfect starting point, and it is not free.  (I do recall a wonderful quote from Bernie Witkin, though.  In response to Samuel Johnson&#039;s oft-told quote &quot;Anyone who writes for anything other than money is a blockhead,&quot; Bernie replied (but I don&#039;t have the exact words), &quot;Only a blockhead would write only for money.&quot; )

Here at the Stanford Law Library, a small, private library that doesn&#039;t serve the bar much, some of these expensive treatises are little used, and some never.  Law review commentary, however, gets used to a great extent.  So it also depends upon the library and its mission.

I do know of a few lawyers who start their research with a law review article.  It can be a starting point, maybe not the best starting point, but since everything else is interconnected via citation and citation histories, it can lead to solid research even if in a roundabout way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your great comment, Julie.  You&#8217;re absolutely right that there&#8217;s no substitute (yet, and maybe never) for an outstanding treatise.  It&#8217;s what we always tell our students:  Secondary sources first.  And use the best ones at that.</p>
<p>Take Witkin&#8217;s Summary of California Law, for instance.  It&#8217;s often *the* perfect starting point, and it is not free.  (I do recall a wonderful quote from Bernie Witkin, though.  In response to Samuel Johnson&#8217;s oft-told quote &#8220;Anyone who writes for anything other than money is a blockhead,&#8221; Bernie replied (but I don&#8217;t have the exact words), &#8220;Only a blockhead would write only for money.&#8221; )</p>
<p>Here at the Stanford Law Library, a small, private library that doesn&#8217;t serve the bar much, some of these expensive treatises are little used, and some never.  Law review commentary, however, gets used to a great extent.  So it also depends upon the library and its mission.</p>
<p>I do know of a few lawyers who start their research with a law review article.  It can be a starting point, maybe not the best starting point, but since everything else is interconnected via citation and citation histories, it can lead to solid research even if in a roundabout way.</p>
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		<title>By: cable&#38;clark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cable&#38;clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with Paul&#039;s point that we must educate attorneys and students about the wealth of information that is now available to them.

However, I worry about the use of the word &quot;free&quot;. Take the Scotusblog as an example, a bog that is written by attorneys who practice at Akin Gump. While it is commendable, someone (i.e. the firm) &quot;pays&quot; for that blog (and they aren&#039;t doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, it must be a tremendous marketing tool for their Supreme Court practice). Additionally, all of the government sources mentioned have been &quot;paid&quot; for by us with tax dollars.

Alternatives to the traditional LX/WEST/&quot;big publisher&quot; model are most welcome, and are sometimes even better...but they probably aren&#039;t free.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Paul&#8217;s point that we must educate attorneys and students about the wealth of information that is now available to them.</p>
<p>However, I worry about the use of the word &#8220;free&#8221;. Take the Scotusblog as an example, a bog that is written by attorneys who practice at Akin Gump. While it is commendable, someone (i.e. the firm) &#8220;pays&#8221; for that blog (and they aren&#8217;t doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, it must be a tremendous marketing tool for their Supreme Court practice). Additionally, all of the government sources mentioned have been &#8220;paid&#8221; for by us with tax dollars.</p>
<p>Alternatives to the traditional LX/WEST/&#8221;big publisher&#8221; model are most welcome, and are sometimes even better&#8230;but they probably aren&#8217;t free.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Jones</title>
		<link>http://legalresearchplus.com/2009/07/13/can-free-information-make-us-a-vendor-free-library/#comment-1267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While there is certainly no shortage of commentary on the law in LSN, as a practicing attorney I would not at this point in time drop a solid treatise for free law review articles.  The two materials are written for different audiences and purposes and are not interchangeable simply because they are both secondary sources providing commentary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there is certainly no shortage of commentary on the law in LSN, as a practicing attorney I would not at this point in time drop a solid treatise for free law review articles.  The two materials are written for different audiences and purposes and are not interchangeable simply because they are both secondary sources providing commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Lambert</title>
		<link>http://legalresearchplus.com/2009/07/13/can-free-information-make-us-a-vendor-free-library/#comment-1261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Lambert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As much as &quot;information&quot; wants to be free, the courts want the information to be &quot;authentic&quot; and &quot;trustworthy&quot;.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jasnwilsn.com/?p=344&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jason Wilson&lt;/a&gt; writes about the problem of authenticating these &#039;free&#039; research tool and makes some good points.  A &#039;free&#039; resource from a State or Federal court (like my old job at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oscn.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oklahoma Supreme Court&lt;/a&gt;) or from a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;prestigious law school&lt;/a&gt; is a good starting point.  But, there are many &#039;free&#039; resources out there that are good resources, but not acceptable to the courts.  A good example is Wikipedia, which is free, and is generally a great initial resource for getting information on a specific topic, but, which is not allowed to be cited in the courts.  
So, let&#039;s remember that in our zest to push against the traditional resources and encourage the baby lawyers to expand into the arena of &#039;free&#039;, they have to remember that &#039;free&#039; is only as good as it allows you to complete your mission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as &#8220;information&#8221; wants to be free, the courts want the information to be &#8220;authentic&#8221; and &#8220;trustworthy&#8221;.  <a href="http://www.jasnwilsn.com/?p=344" rel="nofollow">Jason Wilson</a> writes about the problem of authenticating these &#8216;free&#8217; research tool and makes some good points.  A &#8216;free&#8217; resource from a State or Federal court (like my old job at the <a href="http://www.oscn.net" rel="nofollow">Oklahoma Supreme Court</a>) or from a <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/" rel="nofollow">prestigious law school</a> is a good starting point.  But, there are many &#8216;free&#8217; resources out there that are good resources, but not acceptable to the courts.  A good example is Wikipedia, which is free, and is generally a great initial resource for getting information on a specific topic, but, which is not allowed to be cited in the courts.<br />
So, let&#8217;s remember that in our zest to push against the traditional resources and encourage the baby lawyers to expand into the arena of &#8216;free&#8217;, they have to remember that &#8216;free&#8217; is only as good as it allows you to complete your mission.</p>
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